Cereal washes through your bubbler

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Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Muppet » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:17 pm

Ok from the start this is not intended to start a shitfight of maybes or ideas. I've now run quite a few WBAB and CFW through my copper perf plater bubbler and the results are lacking in flavor. This is after 4-6 months on oak even. The originals are run through pot stills and I'm thinking this is half the reason. Does anyone have any real world experiences running these washes through both?
My macwhiskys, rums and even my fresh newly Oaked BWKO I dont have issues with at all.
I'm building a small pot head ATM to test this myself. :think:
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Urrazeb » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:40 pm

You will never get the same impact of flavour from cereal compaired to grains.
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Muppet » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:52 pm

I think the same mate but theres a lot of experience here and thought it was worth asking the question. :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Urrazeb » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:03 pm

Ok maybe I was a bit brief. Try this.. When you run your next cereal wash run out hearts and at a hint of tails put it into full reflux again and take of the remainder very slowly, a thin broken stream and reduce your cuts to about 200ml. The idea is that you have more to play with when it comes to blending cuts, trying to replicate the smearing of a pot so to speak.

Maybe even 100-100ml cuts
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Urrazeb » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:07 pm

On the other hand you can run out heads and reduce flow to the RC to speed it up which will give similar results with less control. Ie: you can't choose what to blend in a way
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Muppet » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:14 pm

Ok I understand what your saying and will give it a try. I don't have much leeway as running too fast upsets my still but I can pay a bit more attention to my tails as I've always been pretty careful with cuts. Handy knowledge anyways, Thanks :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Urrazeb » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:19 pm

I've always been a firm believer that the flavour is in the tails but to be able to access this without dry reaching upon sipping it needs time on oak. Try cutting into tails a tad more as a starting point and worry about modifying your methods next :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Muppet » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:33 pm

In no way is this intended as an insult Urrazeb but have you tried these washes through your bubbler? If you havnt ill supply you a wash just to see what you can do with it. Pm me if your keen.
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Urrazeb » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:23 pm

Yeah I have done mate, and through a pot still. The above method is what I did to draw more from these types of washes but still not happy I now stay with grains, and a weetbix wash for sipping vodkas over the TPW.

A bit OT but.. Cereals are a great starter into distilling with flavour but natural progression will have the wise distiller taking the next step, as one does with the still.. the wash must advance too
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Zak Griffin » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:10 am

The CFW is only really meant as an easy intro into a bourbon-style wash... I only still use it because I don't have room to store a heap of corn etc :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby bt1 » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:55 am

You will never get the same impact of flavour from cereal compaired to grains.


And guru chef nails it again :handgestures-thumbupleft:

http://aussiedistiller.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=4360&hilit=+crystal+malt

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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Muppet » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:04 am

Thanks guys :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby huggy_b » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:54 am

Have you mucked around with back to back runs with 3 plates versus 4 plates?

I know that I've been fairly underwhelmed with our vodka, we've progressed from TPW through a T500 to TPW through our 4" bubbler (with 500mm lava rock section), to weetbix mash through the bubbler and last night we bit the bullet and did an all grain vodka wash through our esky mash tun (first time using it). Starting SG was 1.090 and if it turns out as good as I am expecting (smells like a weetbix wash, only a thousand time better). I think our "policy" moving forward will be AG mashing and no sugar.

Cost is a consideration, I can make a weetbix wash (200L) for around $70 in raw materials whereas the 60L AG vodka was about $50.But I'm hoping the improved product will be worth it.
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Urrazeb » Thu Oct 30, 2014 9:35 am

Weetbix stripped and watered down considerably (<30%) produces a nice neutral
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby MacStill » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:34 pm

Kimbo makes some great nutri grain whisky through his bubbler that went down nicely at the last WABS do :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby thegoose » Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:45 pm

MacStill wrote:Kimbo makes some great nutri grain whisky through his bubbler that went down nicely at the last WABS do :handgestures-thumbupleft:

:text-+1: nutrigrain is a cracker have some oaked for four months from a bubbler run its really good already :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Sam. » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:33 pm

MacStill wrote:Kimbo makes some great nutri grain whisky through his bubbler that went down nicely at the last WABS do :handgestures-thumbupleft:


I have a bottle on the shelf that is only half done :D

Good shit tho ;-)
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Kimbo » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:40 pm

Urrazeb wrote:On the other hand you can run out heads and reduce flow to the RC to speed it up which will give similar results with less control. Ie: you can't choose what to blend in a way

This is Exactly what I do. Once the hearts start coming thru, I run my bubbler a little faster. In fact, if you compare a normal run where the alcometer stays constant.... in this case I run it so that the alcometer is ever so slowly starting to raise. There is also the fact that I run with a 6" inline thumper which holds all the tails and allows for a better flavour carry over IMO.
Also, for more flavour, do a couple of generations and add some backset :handgestures-thumbupleft:
Having said all this, I have only tried it with the NutriGrain ;-)
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Muppet » Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:19 am

Do you have a pic of your configuration Kimbo? Or a link. I have a few weeks off and am about to modify my non modular plate tree bubbler. My current plan is to make the 4th plate clamp on and switch it to a bubble cap style. My thinking is thats the one that unloads and hope the bubble plate will help somewhat. Your 6" thumper sounds interesting.
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Re: Cereal washes through your bubbler

Postby Kimbo » Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:28 pm

Here you go mate :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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