Newbie bourbon lovers

[chipboy]

:text-+1: on the Angel yeast.
Been using a fair bit of the stuff myself this year and very happy with it. Used it with corn, barley and are about to run an oat wash from it.
You can really get a lot from 20kgs of milled grain as ive been doing Gen 1 AG with Angel and then using the spent grain for for multiple Gens of sugarheads. :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Dan, to get this back on track, have you tried the cornflakes (CFW) recipe with angel yeast, some quick checking shows approx 19,4 grams of starch in 28 grams at least in US cornflakes. Worth thinking, I need to think if you would use any sugar?

Your thoughts / experience is welcome.

[bluc]

you will need at least 10kg corn flakes in 40l water to do cornflakes all grain better off with cracked corn imo or flacked /maize from hbs..

[dans.brew]

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I would just get some cracked maize/ corn from feed store if your wanting to use angel yeast. I think my last bag was about $20 for a 20kg bag. This with a bit of yeast doesn't make the ferment too expensive. Once done chuck a bit of sugar back in and around you go again!
I've only done cfw as a sugar wash with good results. :handgestures-thumbupleft:

[RuddyCrazy]

For a few years all I did was CFW and I found the one I aged for 18 months comes a very close second to my first single malt run, I did age on CFW for 12 months and it isn't a patch on the other one so I'm using it as a base for a few experiments.

The first one with the sphagnum moss is ageing nicely with a total distinct flavour and today I mixed some crushed/powdered licorice root and some all spice herbs in a litre to macerate for a few days then i'll run it thru my minime.

With my first single malt run I did several generations where I added cracked corn the first time and more cracked barely the second time. Now rather than setup my 4 plate bubbler I did all the runs in my 2" pot still doing strip runs then a nice slow spirit run. Decanted to 65% and aged using my big domino going 7 grams a litre and charring the toasted oak with my blow torch.

Cheers Bryan

[chipboy]

Ok so cornflakes (expensive comparatively) are a 1:1 given their starch levels, interesting.

So cornflakes plus plus equivalent sugar will give progressive outcomes, extrapolating between straight CFW plus lots of sugar and an all grain mash.

Corn here I come! I am only on 25 litre fermenters (3 of) and 50 litre boiler, so the plans begin.

Thanks!

[bluc]

If thin mashing More refined sugar =less flavour also allow room for grain in fermenter. 40l water 10kg grain takes up about 50l space. The grain will soak up about 1l per kg you need to squeeze that out or volume will suffer..

[chipboy]

Point taken and understood, I agree the grain will give better outcomes limiting wild fermentation and squeezing it out being the main complications.
Learning time.

Thanks again

[Wellsy]

Hey ruddy crazy what recipe did you use for your single malt runs

Was it the one in tried and proven ?

[RuddyCrazy]

Hey ruddy crazy what recipe did you use for your single malt runs

Was it the one in tried and proven ?

G'day Wellsy,
I malted 5 kg's of barely myself and just to be sure I had the D.P. I went and bought a kilo of Joe white Malt and used this link
https://www.brewersfriend.com/mash/ to work out the strike water temp. I used my 50 litre keg mashtun with a 2 ring burner under it and hooked up the thermocouple to my didgital display for the temp reading. My mashtun has a 1-1/2" triclamp at the base of the keg and I drilled and tapped a 1/8" bsp thread to suit the thermocouple.

Once the water was heated to strike temp I put all of the crushed malt in and used my paint stirrer (cleaned first of course) to give the wash a good mixing then put a sleeping blanket around the mashtun. Every 15 minutes or so I would give it a good stir and then started using my refractometer to see if the conversion had started which it was :happy-partydance: . Several times I had to take the sleeping blanket off to raise the temp and kept checking the SG.

After about 3 hours I did a iodine test and it came out the conversion had finished.

So this was my first AG successful run and I thought just doing a single malt would of been the easiest which it was.

Now as I only used 20 litres I gave it a sugar bump to get the volume up to suit my 60 litre fermenter and I did several generation sugar bumps where first the spent grain was removed and 5kg's of cracked corn was put in. then for the next generation after the spent grain was removed 5kg's of cracked barely was thrown in.

So now got 4 litres of the first run, 5 litres each on the second and third runs aging, now I did have enough wash left over I did a mix of feints and the wash and put 3-1/2 litres down on oak.

Having drams of this stuff and the taste justs better every time so I decanted a bottle using all 4 ageing jugs and that blend is my goto shed dram.

Cheers Bryan

[Wellsy]

Thanks mate
I got to be honest I got lost and am thinking that all grain is not for me, I don’t even have a big pot I can use to cook anything. All good though as I love the results of my sugar heads.
I will try the angel yeast I ordered but if that fails I willlive in happy ignorance lol

Thanks for passing on the info mate

[RuddyCrazy]

Wellsy just grab a 50 litre beer keg and cut the top off leaving a couple of inch's on the raduis, now keep the off cut and pop rivet some tabs on so it can perform as a lid to keep the heat in. A cheap 2 ring burner or even one of those green can burners the big shed sells pretty cheap. I initially heated the water up with one of them but when the flame went out I found I had run out of green gas cans so I switched to the 2 ring crab burner. Like I said in my post above a sleeping blanket is all thats needed to insulate it but do remember to take it off when using gas heat :laughing-rolling:

Then get stuck into doing a single malt and on the plus side the now mash tun can double as the fermenter with the use of a bit of duct tape :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling:

Cheers Bryan

[Wellsy]

Lol
I love your confidence in my abilities mate. I am still only allowed to use scissors with rounded tips, one day I will get to use pointy ones.
I already have a big 3 ring burner that I used for melting lead.
I suspect mate I will be picky your brain relentlessly in 12 months after I have lots of spirit ageing and I am ready to to take the next step.
Sitting here sipping on my 2 week old BWKO and really enjoying it. Suddenly getting older is no longer a problem as my spirit is ageing just as quickly. Life suddenly has new meaning :))

[Shaun]

Can someone post a pic of the angel yeast.

[Wellsy]

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[Shaun]

This is the stuff i use now, have taken a pic of ingredients to compare.

[bluc]

Yes needs to have yellow rectangle that one you have shaun looks like bakers yeast..

[Sam.]

Yes needs to have yellow rectangle that one you have shaun looks like bakers yeast..

:text-+1: If that one converts unmalted grain I would be highly surprised going from the ingredient list.....

[Shaun]

I haven't done grain just sugar, yes is a bakers yeast, was just checking on what it is.

[Wellsy]

The angel yeast with the yellow label is what the guys all use for an all grain wash ( without added sugar) without the hassle of heating up and cooking the grains. Makes life easier while delivering a deeper flavour profile