Containers for making cuts

[Grandvewe]

Hey Gang, thanks for your help so far, I really appreciate it.
My next equipment purchase is now the glass containers for the Cuts. I want something that has proper measurements printed on it so im almost convinced im going to get the 400ml Beaker from Lab Direct (http://www.labdirect.com.au/storecategory132.aspx)

I chose this design for its marked measurements and also it has a wide brim (as some have recommended) and ill put cloth over the top to let them breath.

My question in general is about quantity of beakers and best size...

First question: My boiler is 50L max so that would mean a 40L wash. From what I have tried to research this would (assuming all works well) result in about a total of 6L of heads, hearts and Tails combined?????

I have seen some people on this forum only using 12X 600ml jars for the entire run.
I have also read from "Kiwistiller's Novice Guide to Cuts and Fractions" that 20 containers seems best.

I would prefer to have detailed cuts so im leaning towards buying 20 beakers.
So with this in mind 6L/20 = 300ml
So to be safe I guess I would buy 20X 400ml beakers???

I have also seen people use Lab directs "Flasks" anyone care to convince me to use these over a beaker design?
http://www.labdirect.com.au/storecategory131.aspx

IM basically asking for verification from u experts that my theory is correct before I buy. :text-thankyoublue:

(Apology's if this question has been asked a million times, I have been looking for the answer on the forum)

[Brendan]

While I'm probably not the best person to answer your questions about number of cut jars, I do have both the flasks and beakers from lab direct. They are both great quality, so you won't be wasting your money there.

I know everyone recommends the wider brim jars, but I actually air the middle of my run in the 500ml Erlenmeyer flasks...I do leave it for a few days which might make up for slower evaporation, but I prefer making the cuts and in particular nosing with the narrow opening. I find it concentrates the smell to that point where you are nosing it (much like the Famed scotch glasses with a wider body and narrow top.

In terms of the beakers, I haven't really used them as the brim is just too wide for me...at a guess the opening is close to 100mm, and too wide for me to leave 95%ABV ethanol sitting around in...

Most that talk about jars use the Mason style jar as far as I know.

[Grandvewe]

Brendan - That is a really good point about having a narrow neck to concentrate the aroma (or bouquet as the wino's say). U may have convinced me there...
So do you use 20 of these 500ml Erlenmeyer flasks?

And what do u use your beakers for since u have both?

[Linny]

i thought you needed a wide openening for the smell to "breathe" and thats why we have wide scotch glasses and wine glasses .... ignore me im just thinkin out loud

[wedwards]

I have a couple dozen boxes of half pint mason jars plus some pint sized and a box of the next size up as well. I very quickly learnt that the smaller ones were only necessary while I was learning to make cuts. They were expensive too but will last forever. The lids have an insert in then for the seal - I ditch that insert, and put a tissue in top then put the screw thing on and it airs really well. Got them from ozfarmer from memory.

[JayD]

We use a glass similar the one in your avatar but a lot smaller and it's got just enough room to stick your nose in and smell and I air in open mouthed jars covered with paper towel and held in place with an elastic band for 24hrs some times longer.

This is what we use...

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[Grandvewe]

Linny - This link shows the highly regarded Whiskey glass design and is endorsed by the Scotch Whiskey Association which does slightly resemble the design of the Erlenmeyer Flasks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glencairn_whisky_glass

[Brendan]

Yep that's them, the Glencairn glass...think they're about $60 for a set of 4, but they say you're not treating your Scotch right if it's not being drunk out of one of those babies :naughty:

No I don't use 20 of the Erlenmeyer flasks...I only have 6 of the 500ml ones and a couple of 1L ones (and a big 3L bad boy for yeast starters ;-) )

I just use the 6 x 500ml ones in the perceived 'middle' of the run, and have other jars that I use in the definite heads and tails...more a point of using what you have, and I'm not buying 20 as I don't need them :handgestures-thumbupleft: But as mentioned, I find them perfect for nosing so that's the way I go...but they prob do take a day or two more to air out. Commercially you might want wider ones to air it out quicker, if it actually works that way? :think:

If it were me, I'd put your money for 20 x Erlenmeyer flasks into more parts on your still...and air your cuts out in jam jars and/or spirit bottles until you make a bit of profit :handgestures-thumbupleft: Things like airing glassware really are at the bottom of the priority list...you need great distilling equipment! :D

[BackyardBrewer]

Buddy you are about to spend a BUCKET of cash you don't need to. Why wouldn't you use bog standard jam or pasta jars x 100 and just mark the sides with the mls? Tip 275mls of water in and mark the jar with texta. Tip water into next jar, mark & repeat.

I don't think jar width or volume plays much part in cuts. It will for aging and storing but for this stage of your run why spend $ at start up on lab flasks? Your recycling bins and the neighbours will give you all the jars you need... Save some bucks in the early stage if gig want my advice - that expense could be reduced to ZERO in your start up phase and save you dollars for ingredients and parts and fermenters etc.

[JayD]

Buddy you are about to spend a BUCKET of cash you don't need to. Why wouldn't you use bog standard jam or pasta jars x 100 and just mark the sides with the mls? Tip 275mls of water in and mark the jar with texta. Tip water into next jar, mark & repeat.

I don't think jar width or volume plays much part in cuts. It will for aging and storing but for this stage of your run why spend $ at start up on lab flasks? Your recycling bins and the neighbours will give you all the jars you need... Save some bucks in the early stage if gig want my advice - that expense could be reduced to ZERO in your start up phase and save you dollars for ingredients and parts and fermenters etc.

all true byb...my nose glass 20c from an op shop I walked by, works just as good as an expensive one, managing funds wisely is a must in the begining...prudent purchases in order of need not want. :handgestures-thumbupleft:

[BackyardBrewer]

Heh I hear you jay - if I bought everything I WANT vs what I NEED I would be broke in a week!

[SBB]

Why wouldn't you use bog standard jam or pasta jars x 100 and just mark the sides with the mls? Tip 275mls of water in and mark the jar with texta. Tip water into next jar, mark & repeat.

Way to go BB, :handgestures-thumbupleft: :handgestures-thumbupleft: also a wide mouth jar allows you to "dipper" out a teaspoon full to mix 50/50 with water to open it up a bit for tasting and smelling, just grab a tea spoon with a long handle and bend the handle at 90 degrees to the spoon.
EDIT: your local OP shop has boxes of jars at very reasonable prices 20-50c each.

[Canadoz]

I got trays of 500ml glass jam jars with lids that wouldn't seal so i tossed them and kept the jars.

Paid $6 for each tray of 6 at the reject shop here in Sydney. :handgestures-thumbupleft:

$2 store may have similar.
Glass is glass right?

[db1979]

Buddy you are about to spend a BUCKET of cash you don't need to. Why wouldn't you use bog standard jam or pasta jars x 100 and just mark the sides with the mls? Tip 275mls of water in and mark the jar with texta. Tip water into next jar, mark & repeat.

I don't think jar width or volume plays much part in cuts. It will for aging and storing but for this stage of your run why spend $ at start up on lab flasks? Your recycling bins and the neighbours will give you all the jars you need... Save some bucks in the early stage if gig want my advice - that expense could be reduced to ZERO in your start up phase and save you dollars for ingredients and parts and fermenters etc.

:text-+1:
The volume scale on the side of the conical (erlenmeyer) flask (or beakers for that matter) are very very far from accurate so marking the side of zero or low cost jars with a permanent marker is a far better solution.

[Kimbo]

They'll do mate :handgestures-thumbupleft:

[TassieStiller]

Probably best to run into Shiploads and get a heap of jam jars like I did. They cost about $1.20 each for 450ml jars :handgestures-thumbupleft:

[jasonc2861]

Another good tip,when you shop,try to slip a few extra goodies that are in jars,like honey,peanut butter,pickles,etc.alot of them come in plastic now,which is a shame.stuff spending big dollars for cuts jars! :handgestures-thumbupleft:

[Kimbo]

Empty beer stubbies work just as good :handgestures-thumbupleft:

[7evan]

G'day lads. Im just getting all the gear together to get into this hobby. I can blame sam_and_liv for that :handgestures-thumbupleft: . Im making a modified Swan and the old man's going the Boka. Have just found a place for glass jars and bottles that look great and are cheap. Pretty sure they are Aus wide too. Try http://www.plasdene.com.au
Hope this helps a few.

[Camikaze]

Empty beer stubbies work just as good :handgestures-thumbupleft:

:text-+1: Used them heaps. If one breaks, drink another beer.

Now, I use pasta sauce jars. Have dozens of them after I told a few mates to keep theirs for me.

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