Tomato Sauce or Yeast Nutrient

by **Crimson Cadaver** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:28 am

Hi All,

Is it worth getting commercial yeast nutrient to help ferment out your wash? or will Tomato sauce for DAP do the trick?
I mainly want to do Mollasses Rum washes and plain Sugar washes for vodka with my new boka 2".

Bought 25kg of Refined White Sugar from Costco for $18. Dextrose is very expensive! but i do use Dex for bumping up my beer/cider alc.

I realise with Rum washes you can't/shouldn't ferment it all out, as it is beneficial to keep the molasses flavour and ph levels for each generation.

So for a plain sugar wash, should I use Tomato Sauce or Yeast Nutrient?
(the yeast nutrient I can get has Diammonium Phosphate, Dipotassium Phosphate, Tastone, and Magnesium Sulfate in it)

And if so does it matter if I use turbo yeast or bakers yeast for yeast nutrient/tomato sauce?

I ferment in my brothers old bathroom with 4 massive heat lights in the roof, keeps at 27-29degrees. (this is okay with my family :P)

Thanks :)

CC

by **blond.chap** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:38 am

Crimson Cadaver wrote:Hi All,

Is it worth getting commercial yeast nutrient to help ferment out your wash? or will Tomato sauce for DAP do the trick?
I mainly want to do Mollasses Rum washes and plain Sugar washes for vodka with my new boka 2".
Tomato sauce for the sugar wash, no need with mollasses, it's got nutrients already

Bought 25kg of Refined White Sugar from Costco for $18. Dextrose is very expensive! but i do use Dex for bumping up my beer/cider alc.

I realise with Rum washes you can't/shouldn't ferment it all out, as it is beneficial to keep the molasses flavour and ph levels for each generation.
You can and should ferment out all of the fermentable sugars, it's just that gravity readings stay high because of the unfermentables

So for a plain sugar wash, should I use Tomato Sauce or Yeast Nutrient?
(the yeast nutrient I can get has Diammonium Phosphate, Dipotassium Phosphate, Tastone, and Magnesium Sulfate in it)
Tomato paste, some people also recommend a vitamin B tablet crushed into it

And if so does it matter if I use turbo yeast or bakers yeast for yeast nutrient/tomato sauce?
Yes it does, never use turbo yeast again, you can use bakers for most things (not for fruit washes, yuk)

I ferment in my brothers old bathroom with 4 massive heat lights in the roof, keeps at 27-29degrees. (this is okay with my family :P)

Thanks :)

CC

by **Crimson Cadaver** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:05 pm

thanks blond.chap.
pretty new to distilling :)

Of course all the fermentable ones, I was told that you can't get it ALL out.

If I were to make brandys, what yeast should I use? wine yeast? because of the high fructose in fruit.

appreciate it :handgestures-thumbupleft:

by **blond.chap** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:18 pm

Yeah, my main point with the rum is that you don't have to do anything special to it, it'll just ferment out what it can and leave the rest.

For brandies a white wine yeast is recommended (I've tried it with bakers, really terrible smell like mouldy fruit). For whisky you may also be better off with an ale yeast, but bakers seems to do the job on that.

by **Crimson Cadaver** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:50 pm

thank you so much, seriously helpful info :handgestures-thumbupleft: :handgestures-thumbupleft:

I have some SAF-ALE yeast in my fridge for my pale ales.
possible whiskey mash imminent ;-)

CC

by **Dominator** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:00 pm

I have just started adding some tomato paste toy rum washes, they seem to get going faster and the ferment is more vigorous. In saying that I have also started using a heat belt so that will also affect how the wash ferments.

by **bt1** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:38 pm

Howdy,

Is it worth getting commercial yeast nutrient to help ferment out your wash? ....
Tomato sauce for the sugar wash, no need with mollasses, it's got nutrients already

I reckon molasses washes need DAP or mac uses TP at least. Molasses I's well short on a few basics for a good ferment imho

bt1

by **blond.chap** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:45 pm

Apologies I shouldn't have been so black and white, revise my line to: "I use no nutrients and it ferments out fine in my mind".

by **MacStill** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:53 pm

I only use a little bit of paste if DAP isnt available.... I do prefer to add DAP & a couple of vitamin B tabs to my molasses wash :handgestures-thumbupleft:

by **crow** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:12 pm

Hi ya champ, not to sure "sauce" is to flash an idea. It contains salt and vinegar, generally spices veggie gum and a load of other crap you neither need nor want, I'd be just sticking with the paste if I was you :handgestures-thumbupleft:

by **Yummyrum** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:17 pm

Good pick up Crow .

We are all so used to talking about Tomato Paste that the Sauce bit just didn't register.

by **bt1** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:52 am

+1 crow..saved a drama with that pick up...

Anybody think we'd been on the sauce to miss it :D

bt1