UJSM - Sweetness?

[bluess57]

Hi All,
Just completed (31/12/2012) a spirit run of 5 generations of UJSM, done with corn, Joe White pilsner malt & wheat.
It has taken some time to save up all the generations for a spirit run.

I've taken cuts from approx 81 down to 60 as hearts.

Now, I've diluted to 65%abv and put on oak dominos, all up 9.5 L.
Having a sampler right now (with coke), 2 days on oak and can't help myself. :shifty:

Here is my question:-
There is a sweetness to it, which I'm wondering will the sweetness dissipate with time on oak ?
Or once diluted down to bottling strength, the sweetness will be less.

Has a nice mouthfeel, and is very drinkable, personally would prefer less sweet.

Also I'm introducing rolled rye to the new generations.
Each generation taking out approx 2 cups of spent grains. Put back 1 cup corn, 1/2 cup JW pilsner malt, 1/2 wheat, 1/2 rye.

As everyone loves pics, here's a McStill parrot in a bird bath during spirit run, and the sampling glass for some distillers privilege (note good crystal :-D )...
Cheers...

[Lowndsey]

I find it is a couple months before it even begins to resemble bourbon. First couple months or so it tastes just like..well.... corn likker to me. Come back in 2014 and try it. :mrgreen:

[Urrazeb]

I'm the same bluess, I will be adding rye to the nek bourbon I do, it's too smooth an ya need a 50/50 mix to taste it which ya can't keep up forever! but it is farkin good on the rocks.

I find paying particular attention to the tasting at the tails end of a spirit run is best, sometimes you'll need to skip a jar or two as they don't have the flavour your after but the few after them can be gold.

[bluess57]

Btw, I ran out of containers around 60%, so everything below that went back into feints collection, and the taste at that point was deteriorating.
Wasn't quite expecting the high % abv volume.

I've just tried some some Jim Beam Devils Cut on ice and with coke.
Dang if there ain't (late) heads in it. On ice, a little "bitey".

Wonder how one becomes a whiskey/bourbon judge?

[Sam.]

Sorry for the off topic, but whats the go with the bird bath? :think:

[googe]

Sorry for the off topic, but whats the go with the bird bath? :think:

Thats pretty self explanatory isn't it Sam, parrot, bird bath? :laughing-rolling:

[bluess57]

Sorry for the off topic, but whats the go with the bird bath? :think:

Wasn't really required on the spirit run.
On stripping runs the product comes out too hot and heats the parrot up. A alcohol-meter is calibrated at 20C.
My condensor might be on the too short side of things.

[Lowndsey]

Does it work bluess57?

[bluess57]

Does it work bluess57?

Well the parrot didn't heat up.
Next strip run will be the decider.

[emptyglass]

If you included the strip from the first sweet run, that might be influencing things.
I've found malt and wheat infuence the flavor, usually for the better, but it does change it. Maybe just try a straight corn wash.

[bt1]

howdy,

caution with rye...it extends the aging time require before it "turns"

Nice flavours but definitely a long termer. A malted rye adds the bite but I've yet to really try it so with hold a view till I do.

bt1

[bluess57]

Re-sampling this today. I think this has improved plenty with oak and airing. It is in mason jars without seals.
No coke atm, so on ice or with soda.
Think the initial sweetness may have been either :-
the spirit bringing out the sweet of coke
airing/oak took some sweet away.
Much happier and thinking it can be a decent spirit.

[Sam.]

Sorry for the off topic, but whats the go with the bird bath? :think:

Wasn't really required on the spirit run.
On stripping runs the product comes out too hot and heats the parrot up. A alcohol-meter is calibrated at 20C.
My condensor might be on the too short side of things.

Thought that might have been the case, could even chuck ice in if it was that hot.

Just had to ask, didn't know if you were just taking the piss....

[Fatherjack]

Just had to ask,..

I'm glad you did :handgestures-thumbupleft:

[Phil]

Now, I've diluted to 65%abv and put on oak dominos, all up 9.5 L.

Hi Bluess57, I'll be keeping an eye on your thread here as I've recently done almost exactly the same thing. Mine was cracked corn with some cracked wheat and put on American oak dominos at 60% a week ago.

How many dominos did you use per L? I went with one 6cm long domino per liter for fear of overdoing it. How long do you plan to keep it on oak?

Cheers.

[MacStill]

I found the dominoes to impart tannins quickly and the more subtle flavours need a lot longer to come through, use them sparingly.

I prefer the medium/heavy toasted (not charred) Deliverance brand HBS chips at 6 grams per litre of 65% :handgestures-thumbupleft:

[Linny]

I have been having issues with dominoes. 2 attempts . both over oaked. 2nd time was just over...issued 2 sticks for 4 weeks on 3 liters . next time I'm going 1 stick on 3 liters... ppatience is the Key

[bluess57]

Since this topic resurrected, this UJSM is quite good straight or with Dry.
A sweetness comes out with Coke, that still tastes ok, just not what I'd like with Coke.

Recently drank a bottle with a Mate at his place, left the remainder.
Here's what I got as praise (head swell). .... :clap:

[tickle]

feels good, don't it?
:handgestures-thumbupleft:

[MacStill]

I have been having issues with dominoes. 2 attempts . both over oaked. 2nd time was just over...issued 2 sticks for 4 weeks on 3 liters . next time I'm going 1 stick on 3 liters... ppatience is the Key

I'm sure they're a good product, just more suited to long term aging.

Less = more.... less oak and more time should work well. ;-)