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Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:11 pm
by bluess57
I bought a 10L oak barrel about 9 months ago and one section of the end starting cracking and warping excessively (see pics).
I contacted the vendor and they sent me a new barrel. Can't complain about that.

What's the chances of fixing this?

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:13 pm
by Brendan
bluess57 wrote:What's the chances of fixing this?


For me there would be SFA chance, but depends how good your cooper skills are :))

I guess worst case, it turns out it was free now, and you can cut it up and make your own mini staves/dominoes :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:18 pm
by Smbjk
Superglue :laughing-rolling: and sticky tape :laughing-rolling:

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:21 pm
by bluess57
Coopering skills, non existent... woodworking skills not great.
Cutting it up is always a final option...

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:57 pm
by Aussiedownunder01
Smbjk wrote:Superglue :laughing-rolling: and sticky tape :laughing-rolling:

Na duct tape it will fix anything :))

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:13 pm
by flamehawk
What about a SS square, SS screws from the outside working your way into twist the timber back.

Looks like there is a knot on the otherside.

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:27 pm
by Zak Griffin
What about standing the barrel upright, with the damaged end becoming the top? Cut a really tight-fitting piece of oak to fill the cork hole and file it down smooth, and voila!

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 6:34 pm
by bluess57
Zak Griffin wrote:What about standing the barrel upright, with the damaged end becoming the top? Cut a really tight-fitting piece of oak to fill the cork hole and file it down smooth, and voila!


Good idea, leakage at the cork hole would be a concern.
Could probably use a domino for the fill piece and some wax on the outside.

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:43 pm
by Sam.
The good old flour paste will hold for a fair while as long as the area is dry when applied and while drying, but over time it will seep through :handgestures-thumbdown:

You could take it apart and try and get another end made :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Some info here :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:53 pm
by bluess57
sam_and_liv wrote:The good old flour paste will hold for a fair while as long as the area is dry when applied and while drying, but over time it will seep through :handgestures-thumbdown:

You could take it apart and try and get another end made :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Some info here :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Guess it would depend on the $$$ for getting a new head made

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:00 pm
by Beerfridge
what caused it to bow ?
did it dry out just curious so it dont happen to me

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:19 pm
by bluess57
Beerfridge wrote:what caused it to bow ?
did it dry out just curious so it dont happen to me


Cause of bow, my guess the head is too tight or slightly out of round.
Barrel always been 3/4 to full.
When barrel wood dries out, it will shrink and leaks start.

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:11 am
by crow
Listen that looks like a very easy repair job to me. remove to ring and nearest bilge ring and remove the faulty staff. either make a copy out of oak your self or get any joinery shop to do so and re-fit it, whullah freebie barrel
what caused it to bow ?
did it dry out just curious so it dont happen to me

Just a defect in the grain that was over looked or underestimated, nothing could have prevented its failure bar not including it in the build :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:31 pm
by bluess57
Marked where the hoops were sitting and knocked the hoops off quite easily (screwdriver and hammer), and took the head off.
The pieces separated easily. Are/Were these glued together? One end piece was sticky to its neighbour.

Now to source some american oak... and the fun begins when trying re-assembly.

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:56 pm
by OzKev
bluess57 wrote:Marked where the hoops were sitting and knocked the hoops off quite easily (screwdriver and hammer), and took the head off.
The pieces separated easily. Are/Were these glued together? One end piece was sticky to its neighbour.

Now to source some american oak... and the fun begins when trying re-assembly.



Good quality barrels have NO glue in them. It's the wood that swells to seal them.

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:11 pm
by crow
OzKev wrote:Good quality barrels have NO glue in them. It's the wood that swells to seal them.

Exactly however if you don't get it 100% spot on you can fit either a shaving or any soft reed (like bulrush) in the join to fit the seal
No wonder it fucked up check the bodge way they charred it (not too evenly) , don't do that hey :-B
Looks to me that both kants are ok and you should only need to replace the center head boards :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:08 pm
by bluess57
Got a reply from a timber mill in the area that they carry American oak.
Yeah wasn't going to do any charring on the replacement piece,or use any glue.
Woodworking fun coming for the W/E

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:24 am
by punchy21
Good luck Bluess :handgestures-thumbupleft:

How does the char look like inside the barrel?

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:13 pm
by bluess57
To me char looks ok, maybe a little on the lighter side of charring and maybe a bit uneven. Not sure I should take to it with the gas torch though.

Re: Oak Barrel repair

PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:49 pm
by Yummyrum
blues ..thanks for sharing those photos.
I've never seen inside a barrel before ....that is cool :handgestures-thumbupleft: .What size is it ?.
Also wondering when you slipped off the hoop ,did all the stave's just kinda pop open allowing the end to come straight out or did it put up a fight.

Those stave's look like they must be very flexible.

Do you anticipate any reassembly difficulties