Teddy's Fast Fermenting Vodka (FFV) Discussion

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Re: Teddy's Fast Fermenting Vodka (FFV) Discussion

Postby howard » Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:30 am

Bundaboy wrote:In general it's the other way around, you are more likely to experience a puke (boil over) when doing a stripping run due to the presence of CO2 and particulates, and the fact you are running it flat out. Of course I am saying that without being familiar with your particular equipment, but I doubt it would be any different. Doing a spirit run with 5L of head room seems perfectly reasonable to me.

oh, thanks for that.
just goes to show, despite about 40 hours of reading and copious notes, you can still get the basics wrong :D
i have managed to squeeze a picture of my equip in, but it's still a bit 'work in progress'.
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Re: Teddy's Fast Fermenting Vodka (FFV) Discussion

Postby MartinCash » Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:46 pm

I just did a spirit run on the weekend and I had my 50L boiler full almost to the top. No puke.

By comparison, I can never give rum washes full power when stripping because they'll puke even when the still is only 1/2 full.

All that said, for me TFFV doesn't puke much, and I've stripped 45L in one go. Just start off a little slower through the fores.

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Re: Teddy's Fast Fermenting Vodka (FFV) Discussion

Postby RC Al » Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:21 pm

Depends on the desired results

The 20% headroom actually works for us in a couple of different ways, it's additional insurance vs puking, but it also helps us with purity - in a still the boiler counts as the equivalent to one plate (its the only one a potstil has), a over full boiler won't give you as efficient theoretical plate as one with lots of open area for the vapour to move slowly through and condensate.

So if you have a short column your really making things harder for yourself by over filling and the doubley so if you only have a small boiler, with equal amounts of power applied, the smaller chamber ends up with faster vapour and less condensation opportunity.

I'll admit to trying 10% headroom both ways, but at the end of the day I got lucky. There's plenty of anecdotes of pukes on both stripping and spirit runs with the 20% headroom, but far less than tales of woe from filling past that, safety first hey?
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Re: Teddy's Fast Fermenting Vodka (FFV) Discussion

Postby howard » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:08 am

stripped 4 x 23L FFV washes today.
i remember when i was starting this hobby, another customer in a HBS said to me "do you have a lot of spare time?"
i know what he was getting at now LOL.
ended up with about 18L of 40% low wines.
i am going to throw in 5L of 40% stripped lemon vodka wash (it doesn't taste or smell very lemony at all) for a 23L spirit run.
not too bad, apart from the heat-up/fores and the cut-off ABV, i can still potter around the shed keeping an eye on the still while i collect in 2L jars.
i will obviously pay more attention on the spirit run, where i will only collect 250ml at a time.
i don't suppose there is a lot of use for the backset off an FFV?
could i bottle it and sell it as hair restorer?
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Re: Teddy's Fast Fermenting Vodka (FFV) Discussion

Postby Amberale » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:56 pm

I’ve tried searching to no avail.
Is it possible to use a BIAB bag for FFV?
It should make it easier to clean up.
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Re: Teddy's Fast Fermenting Vodka (FFV) Discussion

Postby RC Al » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:06 pm

You could, but the tiny amount of grain generally just sits at the bottom in the trub and gone in a single racking

You would have to suspend the biab bag above the trub to stop stirring it up when you pulled it out

Cant help but feel that the grain is better off at the bottom where the yeast lives
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Re: Teddy's Fast Fermenting Vodka (FFV) Discussion

Postby Amberale » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:49 pm

Your right RC, I’m just lazy and looking for a shortcut in cleaning up.
I was thinking along the lines of a big enough bag to line my 50 litre fermenters and then pull the grain & bag out when they finished fermenting and leave the trub to settle before racking.
I’ve got 4 fermenters so no problem waiting a couple of extra days for it to settle.
There’s no point if I have to go tea-bagging the bugger( :scared-eek: ) or stirring it up with a spoon.
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Re: Teddy's Fast Fermenting Vodka (FFV) Discussion

Postby MartinCash » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:16 am

In my experience TFFV leaves almost more yesast trub than bran, so your cleanup would be not that different.
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Re: Teddy's Fast Fermenting Vodka (FFV) Discussion

Postby Amberale » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:06 am

Yes but the trub will pass through my rudimentary sink drain (rural shed) whereas the spent grain will block it.
Again, not a huge problem, just trying to streamline where I can.
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Re: Teddy's Fast Fermenting Vodka (FFV) Discussion

Postby RC Al » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:08 am

Powder the grain in a blender

No more blockage problem and it will work better for the yeast
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Re: Teddy's Fast Fermenting Vodka (FFV) Discussion

Postby MartinCash » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:08 pm

I just dump the grain in the garden. The birds love it.
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Re: Teddy's Fast Fermenting Vodka (FFV) Discussion

Postby Amberale » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:07 am

My cows would be annoyed if I gave it to the birds.
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Re: Teddy's Fast Fermenting Vodka (FFV) Discussion

Postby RC Al » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:56 am

My damn ducks wont touch the stuff, spoilt buggers
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