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wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:36 am
by wiifm
Thought it was about time I say G'day :handgestures-thumbupleft:

My first ever still was a 1200mm high 2" reflux column that I originally built to make vodka in the early 2000's using a 5L boiler. That thing leaked and was hard to run and produced nothing I wanted to drink, so I gave up on it back then, but I always kept the column.

Fast forward to the past 12 months, I decided to pull my finger out and get that column up and running. After reading the book by Riku about building automated stills, I decided to go the electronic route. The end result was a controller and some modifications to the column for temp probes and a couple of solenoid valves.

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To be honest, there wasn't much control. Solenoid valves for controlling cooling water and take off didn't provide a stable run - I ended up changing water flow manually and running in post still mode. I'm a bourbon drinker these days, so having learned that reflux columns are no good for carrying flavour, this was okay... except now i had a fancy box full of electronics running as a glorified thermometer. :angry-banghead: On top of that, I got a 50L barrel for Christmas, so needed to fill it. :music-deathmetal:

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The 2" just wasn't cutting it. Time to go bigger, So I decided to follow in the footsteps of bt1, NewStilla and bac206 and build a glasser.

Re: wiifn's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 11:58 am
by Smbjk
Nice controller mate. Im sure with a few mods it would be grear to run a herms system for some allgrain mashes :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Re: wiifn's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:08 pm
by wiifm
First up, the plate section. I decided to go with the large Primus lantern glasses, 150mm copper plates and bubble caps from Five Star Distilling. I managed to fit 6 bubble caps and 1 downcomer per plate.

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Instead of the usual 4 lengths of threaded rod, I went with 6 x 6mm.

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Also built a spot for a temp probe to sit below the reflux condenser with a 'hood'.

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Re: wiifn's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:12 pm
by wiifm
Smbjk wrote:Nice controller mate. Im sure with a few mods it would be grear to run a herms system for some allgrain mashes :handgestures-thumbupleft:


Hi Smbjk. I've thought about it. Would need some big stainless vessels to fall into my lap at the right price. I am currently running BWKO washes and am happy with the results so far. Would love to have a go at Brendan's methods one day though.

Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:25 pm
by wiifm
Reflux and product condensers were a relatively straight forward build. Instead of building easy flanges, I used 1mm copper plate that I picked up from the scrapyard, cut to size. This meant I could avoid using silver solder. The downside of this is that I use an additional silicon gasket (made from silicon backing tray) at each connection to prevent leaks.

Reflux condenser is 4" 150mm long, with 7 3/4" tubes.

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Product condenser is 2" 500mm long with 6 1/2" tubes.

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Used brass female slip fit connectors soldered into the reflux condenser body, but swapped to soldering tube to the product condenser body, then connectors to the tube.

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Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:28 pm
by bt1
Nice,

On the larger glasses = 110mm always recommend the M10 SS threaded 1cm rods. Be interested to see the abv's she produces with the four plates.

Enjoy
bt1

Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:36 pm
by wiifm
Thanks for fixing the thread title. :text-thankyoublue: Couldn't even spell my own name :ugeek:

My brother is a boiler maker and one of the blokes he has working with him is a sheety, so after cutting all the holes in the keg, I put him to work with the tig. The keg features a 4" column connection, 4" fill port, 3" SSG site glass, 2 2400 watt FSD elements and a drain port. There is also a temp probe sitting between the elements.

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Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:40 pm
by wiifm
bt1 wrote:Nice,

On the larger glasses = 110mm always recommend the M10 SS threaded 1cm rods. Be interested to see the abv's she produces with the four plates.

Enjoy
bt1


Hi bt1, I saw you recommended upgrading in size. I decided to increase quantity instead. Buying the threaded rod in 1m lengths, I could grab 3, cut them in half and have room to spare for 4 plates. The plate assembly is solid as a rock and requires no support to carry the weight of product condenser and parrot.

Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:42 pm
by Zak Griffin
No worries :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Looks the goods mate... There's something about a 360° view of the plates that is making me seriously consider going glass one day!

Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:54 pm
by wiifm
Cooling is handled by a submersible 750 watt pump in an IBC. I've got solenoid valves on the outlet side of both condensers and a flow meter on each line also.

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The parrot has a temp probe so I can work out temp adjusted alcohol content on the fly. I could control flow to the product condenser via the solenoid valve, but haven't had parrot temps below 20 degrees yet and would have to add pressure relief for the pump in case both return lines are closed. Maybe in the middle of winter... after I calibrate the probe.

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Also set up a solenoid valve to drain foreshots, feints etc.

Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:21 pm
by wiifm
All set up under the house after a couple of runs this weekend (after the obligatory cleaning runs during the week). :happy-partydance:

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First impressions - this thing is easy to run and this stuff tastes good straight off the still. You hear/read about how well these things compress heads and tails, but seeing is believeing! :shock:

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Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:37 pm
by P3T3rPan
Looks wonderful

Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:40 pm
by backyard brewdog
Looks awesome mate! :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:53 pm
by 1 2many
That's one pimped up still mate, nice rig :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:52 pm
by Andy
that last photo is one of the best pics on the forum!! :handgestures-thumbupleft:
great looking still.

Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 5:42 pm
by Yummyrum
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Oh I do like it ....everything from the boiler drain up ...no actually from the keg legs up :happy-partydance:

Primus had better stock up on lantern glass :D

question: are those macs plates or just the bubble caps ? If its plates as well,how have you fitted them in there ....cheers

Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:57 am
by wiifm
Thanks for the compliments. Hi Andy :greetings-waveyellow:

Yummyrum wrote::clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Oh I do like it ....everything from the boiler drain up ...no actually from the keg legs up :happy-partydance:

Primus had better stock up on lantern glass :D

question: are those macs plates or just the bubble caps ? If its plates as well,how have you fitted them in there ....cheers


They're Mac's bubble caps and downcomers. I went with these plates from https://www.aemetal.com.au/Webstore/p-140-copper-sheet-20mm-110-15cm-x-15cm-pack.aspx.

Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:09 am
by huggy_b
Probably a dumb question, but is there any reason why you've used stainless steel threaded rod?

Would a basic steel threaded rod be suitable or am I overlooking something very basic?

Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:19 am
by Zak Griffin
There's no reason why you HAVE to use stainless, but then you wouldn't let a couple of extra $$ be the difference between a still that will always look good and one that has rust on it...

Re: wiifm's glasser build

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:51 pm
by bt1
What I found was as you need to wind multi sets of nuts up and down the rods the black chips quickly and Galv rod starts to flake at higher wear areas.

SS suffers no issue and seems a closer fit.

bt1