Gin recipes & botanicals

Re: Gin recipes & botanicals

Postby GINKING » Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:39 pm

Thanks for your replies guys,

I will dilute the neutral down to 45% before macerating (over night) and also try to remove the zest before distilling and add a little liquorice root.

Fingers crossed.

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Re: Gin recipes & botanicals

Postby Tesla101 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:25 pm

I did a similar recipe to that the other night:

12g juniper
3g coriander seed
1.2g licorice root
15g pith-less skin of 1 orange

Macerated in 1L of 45% hearts from a TPW wash for 24 hours. Removed the orange peel and put the rest in the boiler.

Distilled it in the pot still at about 30% power (2000W 25L boiler). Take-off rate just a fast drip/dribble.

Discarded the first 10mL and then took 400mL at ~80%. Diluted to 43% and bottled for about 700mL.

Will let it sit for a few weeks before tasting.
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Re: Gin recipes & botanicals

Postby Lesgold » Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:02 am

That should work out quite nicely. Odin’s gin recipe is a good basis for a gin. Variation like what you have attempted allow for subtle flavour changes. It’s pretty much a fool proof recipe. I have now started using TFFV instead of TPW for neutral for gin making.
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Re: Gin recipes & botanicals

Postby BSC_Kilby » Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:26 am

One other thing just so my post is transparent. I use only dried or partially dried botanicals in my gins. I find they give more repeatable results.
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Re: Gin recipes & botanicals

Postby Tesla101 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:14 am

Lesgold wrote:That should work out quite nicely. Odin’s gin recipe is a good basis for a gin. Variation like what you have attempted allow for subtle flavour changes. It’s pretty much a fool proof recipe. I have now started using TFFV instead of TPW for neutral for gin making.


Thanks Les. Can I ask what was the reason for switching from TPW to TFFV for neutral for gin?
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Re: Gin recipes & botanicals

Postby Lesgold » Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:14 pm

No big deal really. I found the TPW a little sweet where as the TFFV was a drier neutral. Both still work well.
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Re: Gin recipes & botanicals

Postby Tesla101 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:02 pm

Thanks again Les. Good to know.

Hope you swing your coil over the gold :handgestures-thumbupleft:

(From an ex-prospector)
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Re: Gin recipes & botanicals

Postby GINKING » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:41 am

I ran my second batch with those changes mentioned previously but still tastes too bitter.
There's definitely more flavour after macerating for 23 hours.

I'm starting to think its the juniper that over powering everything else. (to prove this I might just do a juniper only run)...

I'll see what it tastes/smells like in 4 - 5 weeks time.

Do you guys find your gin has more or less juniper taste than your typical commercial gins?
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Re: Gin recipes & botanicals

Postby Lesgold » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:10 pm

Odin’s gin and variations on it give bold flavours with the citrus being quite a stand out. It’s a lovely summer gin. You could try putting the citrus peel in the vapour path during the run rather than macerating it. Everyone’s perfect gin is going to be different. If you are altering a recipe, I would only make subtle changes and work on one botanical at a time. My favourite recipe follows Odin’s method but citrus peel in reduced by 20%. I also suspend some black pepper corns, Angelica root and lavender flowers in the riser in a cotton bag. My family enjoys this recipe and that’s all that matters to me. I am sure that you will find that sweet spot eventually.
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Re: Gin recipes & botanicals

Postby Carol » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:42 pm

Hi Ginking
I have been using Zymurgy Bob's gin extract as I can adjust the amount of gin-ness to suit my taste. I like a gentle gin. For those people who like a stronger gin you simply add more extract. That might be something else to consider for your gin adventures.


viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1572

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Re: Gin recipes & botanicals

Postby peter01010101 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:01 pm

GINKING wrote:I'm starting to think its the juniper that over powering everything else. (to prove this I might just do a juniper only run)...


A little process I found useful was to scale my recipe down and macerate the base/common botanicals separately in 200ml jars (don't re-distill them). I could then taste each one individually and then blend them to my taste. When I found a ratio I liked I could then scale the recipe back.
I think I had 5 jars - juniper, coriander, angelica root, orris root and liquorice.

My favourite recipe to date is:
1 Litre 45% ABV neutral spirit
20g Juniper Berries
10g Coriander seeds
2g Angelica root
2g liquorice root
200mg chamomile flower
1 strip of grapefruit skin
1 strip of lime skin
1 strip of orange skin

Directions: Lightly crush the berries and seeds and add to neutral spirit .
Seal the jar and macerate at room temperature for 14 days. (or 2 days and place all in the boiler to re-distil)
Strain / filter liquor into a potstill (or Airstill)
Place remaining ingredients (roots, flowers and fruit skins) in botanical basket and re-distil slowly.
Discard first 10mls (oils)
Collect 400mls - down to about 60%

Dilute to 45%ABV (@ 20 deg C) and condition in glass for 5 weeks.

Here's a link to a handy bit of info. https://www.lovebrewing.co.uk/guides/st ... botanicals
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Re: Gin recipes & botanicals

Postby GINKING » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:14 am

Carol wrote:Hi Ginking
I have been using Zymurgy Bob's gin extract as I can adjust the amount of gin-ness to suit my taste. I like a gentle gin. For those people who like a stronger gin you simply add more extract. That might be something else to consider for your gin adventures.


https://aussiedistiller.com.au/viewtopi ... =32&t=1572

Cheers
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Very interesting Carol.

Thanks for pointing this one out to me. Do you know if the flavours dissipate out over time?

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Re: Gin recipes & botanicals

Postby GINKING » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:03 am

peter01010101 wrote:
A little process I found useful was to scale my recipe down and macerate the base/common botanicals separately in 200ml jars (don't re-distill them). I could then taste each one individually and then blend them to my taste. When I found a ratio I liked I could then scale the recipe back.
I think I had 5 jars - juniper, coriander, angelica root, orris root and liquorice.


Thanks for your advice Peter,
I'll have to give this method a try at some point :handgestures-thumbupleft: .

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Re: Gin recipes & botanicals

Postby Carol » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:29 am

Hi Ginking
I have a bottle of extract that I made last year (In my little air still) and while it seems to be less strong than when first made I just use a little more if I want more Gin-ness. I made an interesting "gin" extract with szechuan peppers rather than juniper berries as well.

I have made ink gin, ruby gin and blood orange gin using the extract.

I have a batch of extract waiting to be distilled now. This time I macerated the botanicals and then strained them and reused them in another batch. I will see how this one turns out.

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Re: Gin recipes & botanicals

Postby GINKING » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:46 am

Carol wrote:Hi Ginking
I have a bottle of extract that I made last year (In my little air still) and while it seems to be less strong than when first made I just use a little more if I want more Gin-ness. I made an interesting "gin" extract with szechuan peppers rather than juniper berries as well.

I have made ink gin, ruby gin and blood orange gin using the extract.

I have a batch of extract waiting to be distilled now. This time I macerated the botanicals and then strained them and reused them in another batch. I will see how this one turns out.

Cheers
Carol


Nice work Carol, the possibilities are endless - that's why I love this so much.

cheers

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