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Postby dom187 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:31 pm

Well while waiting for the cyclone Veronica to disapate and wait for my new 5SD 4" pot sill to arrive once the road are officially opened again. I decided to start my first weevil infested UJSSM , now im wondering how long I can leave this in the fermenter? is it just like all the other washes, I cant see why not. the co2 jacket keeps it covered.. but ive been reading a lot of conflicting info with this wash. tpw, turbos have all been fine to sit for a few weeks once finshed. also I seem to be reading that once its finished ferment you need to keep the process constanly going with in 24-48hrs?. which I don't have the constant time for. have also read about freezing the backset to help with this. I plan on freezing the backset once im happy with a certain generation to keep the flavour. ok, long I know , but us cyclone people are bored, say I was to make a 25L wash for 4 gens to save on spare room space, then decided I wanted to make 2 25L washes for gen 5, can I just create equal amounts of backset with new corn in each ? or do I need to start again ?

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Re: ujssm

Postby The Dark Alchemist » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:38 am

dom187 wrote:Well while waiting for the cyclone Veronica to disapate and wait for my new 5SD 4" pot sill to arrive once the road are officially opened again. I decided to start my first weevil infested UJSSM , now im wondering how long I can leave this in the fermenter? is it just like all the other washes, I cant see why not. the co2 jacket keeps it covered.. but ive been reading a lot of conflicting info with this wash. tpw, turbos have all been fine to sit for a few weeks once finshed. also I seem to be reading that once its finished ferment you need to keep the process constanly going with in 24-48hrs?. which I don't have the constant time for. have also read about freezing the backset to help with this. I plan on freezing the backset once im happy with a certain generation to keep the flavour. ok, long I know , but us cyclone people are bored, say I was to make a 25L wash for 4 gens to save on spare room space, then decided I wanted to make 2 25L washes for gen 5, can I just create equal amounts of backset with new corn in each ? or do I need to start again ?

Thanks all

I left G5 sitting there for about a month, while I spirited G1-4. Stripped G5, then G6 fired back up again with no issues. G1-4 on oak after a couple of weeks is just too good - hope I can keep away from it for long enough.
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Re: ujssm

Postby RC Al » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:23 am

There is a potential for the weevils to cause a issue with an infection, but just keep it sealed and you should be good

My g6 has been sitting for 2 months, not worried, worst case you pitch some more yeast

I use fores in my Air locks, just and extra level of biological security

What you outlined for the split wash is fine and common practice, the yeast bed will breed up in the flesh grain

Freezing is for kick starting gens in a new wash
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Postby dom187 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:05 pm

What you outlined for the split wash is fine and common practice, the yeast bed will breed up in the flesh grain

OK, thanks. so would I just put all new corn, yeast and suger in the new second fermenter? or do I need to try and split the original yeast/corn bed?
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Postby dom187 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:09 pm

G1-4 on oak after a couple of weeks is just too good - hope I can keep away from it for long enough.[/quote]

What oak do you find works well for it? ive got American med, and heavy toasted and French med toasted
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Postby Plumby » Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:25 pm

In a 3 litre jar I use 2 heavy toast American Oak and 1 medium toast French.
In the past I have used just 1 heavy toast American per litre and got excellent results as well.
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Re: ujssm

Postby The Dark Alchemist » Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:43 pm

Plumby wrote:In a 3 litre jar I use 2 heavy toast American Oak and 1 medium toast French.
In the past I have used just 1 heavy toast American per litre and got excellent results as well.


I've gone 2 medium toast american oak staves, as a first attempt. I'll monitor it over time :obscene-drinkingdrunk:
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Re: ujssm

Postby Plumby » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:38 pm

I have found that for extended ageing times, say more than 6 months, less oak is better.
I go for one oak domino per litre of spirit at 65% abv if I'm ageing for 3-6 months, if I'm ageing longer that 6 months I reduce the amount of oak a bit, usually 2 dominioes in 3 litres of 65% of spirit so I don't over oak my final spirit.
Hope that helps :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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Postby coffe addict » Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:26 am

With doing 2 gen 5 runs split your grain bed and back-set or you'll have 1gen 5 and 1 gen 1
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Re: ujssm

Postby dom187 » Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:23 pm

coffe addict wrote:With doing 2 gen 5 runs split your grain bed and back-set or you'll have 1gen 5 and 1 gen 1


ok thanks mate, once I have the backset, ill divide the corn bed and yeast into halves and start both up again. will I need to add more yeast? or just wait and see if it fires up?
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Postby The Stig » Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:44 pm

If you do it correctly you shouldn’t need new yeast
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Re: ujssm

Postby dom187 » Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:20 pm

The Stig wrote:If you do it correctly you shouldn’t need new yeast


rodegr, thanks Stig
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Re: ujssm

Postby dom187 » Thu May 16, 2019 12:09 am

one more question , how do I go about freezing the gen 3 as will be on holidays for 2 months. do I freeze backset only? and if so how will I get gen3 to fire back up again as there will be no grain / yeast bed? or do I freeze the backset and grain/yeast bed ( will this still fire back up?)?

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Re: ujssm

Postby EziTasting » Sat May 18, 2019 8:45 am

Freezing generally refers to the backset and/or the solids left behind in your FV. That is what adds the next level of flavour to your next generation!
The wash/wort (liquid you will distill) can be decanted/syphoned into a ‘cube’ or other sealed container and stored until your ready to still it.

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Re: ujssm

Postby bluc » Sat May 18, 2019 5:38 pm

I personally would just freeze backset..
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