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Re: whisky all grain

Postby EziTasting » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:37 pm

bluc wrote:Did another lot barley and hit 75% effeciency :handgestures-thumbupleft:


Did you leave this one longer in the mash tun or did the shorter scheduled 60mins
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby bluc » Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:35 pm

Same as last one. :handgestures-thumbupleft:


bluc wrote:Another unmalted + enzyme barley mash today slightly different mash schedule with promising results

Barely lot 2 method 2
Grind barley finer 1.025mm gap set off marking on malt muncher.

Soak rice hulls overnight.Add 40l water adjust ph to 5.5 heat to 95c add grain and hulls. Hold at 88c 2hrs to gelatinize. Add 20ml rye enzyme hold 2 hrs brix 12. Drop to 70c beta glucan rest(break up the gummy stuff) drop to 65 add amg enzyme rest 3 hrs (atentuation)? Drop to 63c add another 20ml rye enzyme after 3hrs 15 brix.. will post gravity and volume in fermenter tomorrow gunna let it sit in insulated tun overnight see what happens..

You done any mashs yet rcal?
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby bluc » Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:43 pm

Thought this may help someone. Its a excell spreadsheet to calculator new wort gravity when two different worts are mixed. Thanks to ezi tasting for doing the spreadsheet for me :handgestures-thumbupleft:
Wort SG Mixer.xlsx


Easy to use, v1 volume 1, sg 1 is gravity 1/ v2 volume 2 sg2 gravity 2 :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby cheesepizza » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:35 pm

bluc wrote:Thought this may help someone. Its a excell spreadsheet to calculator new wort gravity when two different worts are mixed. Thanks to ezi tasting for doing the spreadsheet for me :handgestures-thumbupleft:
Wort SG Mixer.xlsx


Easy to use, v1 volume 1, sg 1 is gravity 1/ v2 volume 2 sg2 gravity 2 :handgestures-thumbupleft:


Awesome stuff. Appreciate it.
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby bluc » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:16 pm

Just drained mash tun from first lot 100% corn using enzymes. 38l sg of 1.066 effeciency of 75.13%.
10 kg corn 15l rice hulls 4:1 mash thickness 10l sparge water. Sparged at 70c. Happy enough with that :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby bluc » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:54 pm

Thought I would add couple pics. Corn grind and pic of corn rice hulls mix. Make sure you soak rice hulls then drain and mix well with corn before adding to mash tun
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Also gelatinize till corn swollen gloopy or better still near solid mess in mash tun. Add enzyme give it 15 mins or so for it to liquidfy then you can start recirc the wort :handgestures-thumbupleft: trust me you cant recirc while gelatinozing you will end up with a blown element and or pump..dont ask me how I know :laughing-rolling:
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby dans.brew » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:01 pm

bluc wrote:Thought I would add couple pics. Corn grind and pic of corn rice hulls mix.

Nice stuff there bluc... where do you get the corn rice hulls from?

bluc wrote:Also gelatinize till corn swollen gloopy or better still near solid mess in mash tun. Add enzyme give it 15 mins or so for it to liquidfy then you can start recirc the wort :handgestures-thumbupleft: trust me you cant recirc while gelatinozing you will end up with a blown element and or pump..dont ask me how I know :laughing-rolling:

It always takes one there mate to learn the hard way for the rest of us to hopefully not make the same mistake.
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby bluc » Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:31 pm

same place as the cracked corn. they are used for chicken bedding scratch fodder 80l slightly compressed bag was about $15 :handgestures-thumbupleft:

edit: to get crack on cracked corn I did one pass on smallest gap on twin roller malt muncher :handgestures-thumbupleft: apparently they are not designed for corn but I have put "a bit" through it :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby dans.brew » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:56 pm

bluc wrote:same place as the cracked corn. they are used for chicken bedding scratch fodder 80l slightly compressed bag was about $15 :handgestures-thumbupleft:

edit: to get crack on cracked corn I did one pass on smallest gap on twin roller malt muncher :handgestures-thumbupleft: apparently they are not designed for corn but I have put "a bit" through it :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Cheers bluc... there is a heap of duck sheds locally so they prob use the same for the bedding in them. :handgestures-thumbupleft:
So would you buy another malt muncher or go for a bit fancier one next time round?
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby bluc » Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:00 pm

dans.brew wrote:
bluc wrote:same place as the cracked corn. they are used for chicken bedding scratch fodder 80l slightly compressed bag was about $15 :handgestures-thumbupleft:

edit: to get crack on cracked corn I did one pass on smallest gap on twin roller malt muncher :handgestures-thumbupleft: apparently they are not designed for corn but I have put "a bit" through it :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Cheers bluc... there is a heap of duck sheds locally so they prob use the same for the bedding in them. :handgestures-thumbupleft:
So would you buy another malt muncher or go for a bit fancier one next time round?

Will see how long it takes to die... Proper one suited to corn is about $500 landed :o :shock: :sad: The malt muncher can be had for $60. If I can get two years munching corn I will prob just get another cheapy for now. Malt muncher has been going 4 years now but have prob only put 6 or so bags corn through it..Mostly malt barley..
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby dans.brew » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:30 pm

You can buy a few of them for $500...
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby bluc » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:48 pm

Yea exactly you wanna be doing a lot to warrant $500 mill..
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby bluc » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:31 pm

Another lot corn 40l at 1.045 62% effeciency My cereal mash(gelatinization) let me down as I got sidetracked and had to go out. Anyway still happy enough And I think I have covered everything now Will post back next round of malted grain. Feel free to ask here or pm me if you have any questions :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby bluc » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:51 pm

Cant believe I didnt put my volumes of alcohol per mash in this thread :angry-banghead:
Thought I would add angel yeast technique to this thread.

10kg feed barley and 40l water at 30c 50g angel yeast stirred twice day for 3 days then let sit for 3 weeks gave me 1.6l 86% 2l at 65% in my demijohn..
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby pat_00 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 12:33 pm

No enzymes? how does that work with unmalted barley?

I've got an interesting project underway. Started making a batch of whiskey about 18 months ago using all Manuka Smoked malt from NZ. I did the stripping run, but got distracted before I got around to the spirit run and forgot about it.

18 months later I plan to do the spirit run, would any of this time effect the taste you think? Suppose I will find out soon.
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby bluc » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:44 pm

Check out the "mash not requiered" thread when you use that particular yeast forget everything you learned bout mashing. Follow directions in the thread. Eady and it works. I got about 75% effeciency using it..
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby pat_00 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:06 pm

So my 'aged low wines' run went well. Been aging for a month in glass with some charred oak.

Seems smoother than my last batch. Pretty much zero smoke was anywhere to be found though :(

I wonder what the difference in taste of finished product would be between unmalted grain fermented with that creepy black magic juju yeast or traditionally malted grain, any thoughts?
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby dans.brew » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:12 pm

pat_00 wrote:Seems smoother than my last batch. Pretty much zero smoke was anywhere to be found though :(

I have read that sometimes the smoke or peat flavours people are chasing tend to hide in the tails. :think:
You may find it may come to the table after aging on oak for a while.. oak does all sorts of things to spirits, both good and bad under different circumstances.

pat_00 wrote:I wonder what the difference in taste of finished product would be between unmalted grain fermented with that creepy black magic juju yeast or traditionally malted grain, any thoughts?

I'm using malted but not dried or kilned barley with malted rye atm with that angel yeast and the flavours are soo similar to a traditional AG malt barley mash (excluding the rye flavour). Im yet to try unmalted barley, but im thinking its gonna be fairly similar. Going to have a go at an unmalted oat whiskey too when i get a spare fermenter. :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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Re: whisky all grain

Postby RuddyCrazy » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:36 pm

I did make a 6" jaw crusher in my quest to find gold on my 85 acres but I do think it may just prove to be a great corn crusher, just set the gap to just meeting and throw the corn in and I may need to make a vibrator to get the corn down the Shute :laughing-rolling: Now with the warmer weather may just have to put down some barley malt, with this one I do have to get a sack of rye so the all grain mix can be right.

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Re: whisky all grain

Postby claytong » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:06 pm

Hey pat_00,

How was the smoky-ness of your initial stripping run? I've just done a stripping run on some manuka smoked malt (2 x 25l) and thought it smelt pretty good/smokey. Waiting to get the next lot fermented and stripped to run it all again and get barrelled.

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