TPW vs WBAB vs FFV (for neutral)

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TPW vs WBAB vs FFV (for neutral)

Postby R3dRanga » Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:15 pm

Hi All,

I’d be curious to know which (or “other”) is your preference and why.
If you’re producing neutral/voddy, what’s your go-to or seasonal wash and for what reason?
Is it based on price, taste, convenience, availability, better result, time, weather/temp??? (all of the above?)

If this has been covered in a previous topic please post a link.

Thanks,
RR
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Re: TPW vs WBAB vs FFV (for neutral)

Postby BigRig » Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:55 pm

For me it's tpw. Cheapest and easiest. 2 ingredients + yeast.

I have never had a tpw wash stall but have heaps of times with wbab.
Tpw is a little sweeter with wbab being a little drier.

Another neutral recipe is wineos sugar wash.

I haven't tried FFV.
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Re: TPW vs WBAB vs FFV (for neutral)

Postby The Stig » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:49 am

Hi Red,
One more question you should add in there is “what type of still?”
For me , it’s weet-bix over a plated still because the plates still carries a small amount of flavour and mouth feel
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Re: TPW vs WBAB vs FFV (for neutral)

Postby Dude » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:11 am

I have been using the TPW for its ease in a pot still stripped then run slow. I will be trying the others when more neutral is required.
I might even try a second slow run to see if there is any difference.
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Re: TPW vs WBAB vs FFV (for neutral)

Postby Carol » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:30 am

Hi Ranga
I have been using TPW as it easy and I always have the ingredients on hand. Produces a nice neutral with a very slight sweetness which works well with the fruit gins, liqueurs etc I like to make. I have made FFV and that had a very slightly wheaty flavour. Haven't made WBAB yet.

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ps your limoncello looked very nice.
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Re: TPW vs WBAB vs FFV (for neutral)

Postby R3dRanga » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:54 am

One more question you should add in there is “what type of still?”

Excellent point Stig. If only I could edit! (feel free if you have access)


For me, it’s weet-bix over a plated still because the plates still carries a small amount of flavour and mouth feel

Good to know. I think I'll go back and give WBAB another try for comparison.


(TPW) Produces a nice neutral with a very slight sweetness which works well with the fruit gins, liqueurs etc I like to make. I have made FFV and that had a very slightly wheaty flavour

That's really helpful feedback Carol. I've been using FFV lately with some success, but it does have a very, very faint wheaty flavour. I did a TPW on my 2nd ever wash (straight after Turbo!) and it was pretty good but a) I was using the air/pot still, which produced more of a tomato liqueur, and b) I found it slightly harder to clean up - everything was pink! (any tricks, tips or advice there?)


your limoncello looked very nice.

Thanks Carol! I now need to create some fancy-pants labels. The plain bottle just doesn't cut it.


I will be trying the others when more neutral is required.

Dude, come back and let us know how you think they compare if/when you try another wash


Keep the feedback coming folks!
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Re: TPW vs WBAB vs FFV (for neutral)

Postby Carol » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:19 am

Ranga
I try to leave the TPW to clear for a week or so when fermentation is finished. I refill the fermenter while I am minding the still for the stripping run. It is easy enough to wipe down the fermenter - flannelette squares from old sheets seems to work particularly well. I rinse it out and fill it up again so the fermenters are always full.

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Re: TPW vs WBAB vs FFV (for neutral)

Postby Amberale » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:42 pm

Using a 6 plate Neitraliser+.
I tried TPW and my attempts at it had a tomato flavour that I didn’t like(only 5 plates at that stage).

I have made many batches of FFV and I get the cleanest neutral from it especially over 6 plates.
Then I also double distil a heart of hearts just for fun.
It is like a mountain Naiad’s mid stream pee poured over glacial melt.

I have done a WBaB for neutral over 6 plates but it was no better than the FFV for me and a bit more faffing around.

I am waiting for the shed to defrost enough to spend the hours down there to process 200 litres of 2nd gen WBaB over 4 plates.
The first gen seems fine and I plan to take it to 5 gens(I’m only sniffing, sipping and spitting out at the moment).
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Re: TPW vs WBAB vs FFV (for neutral)

Postby GINKING » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:16 pm

If you added copper mesh on top of each of the bubble plates of the Neutraliser would that make any difference to the final flavour?

Has anyone tried this?
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Re: TPW vs WBAB vs FFV (for neutral)

Postby Amberale » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:58 pm

GINKING wrote:If you added copper mesh on top of each of the bubble plates of the Neutraliser would that make any difference to the final flavour?

Has anyone tried this?


I don’t know that it would make much difference.
Much easier and not too exxy to put a 500mm packed section on top and fill it with $20 of SS scrubbers or $100 of copper mesh.
You can always empty it and run it instead of the bubbler as a stripping pot-still for dark spirits, it’s easier to clean.
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