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Methanol testing

Postby Supersmartan » Tue May 15, 2018 4:36 pm

Hello learned distillers

Was just wondering.....on U-Tube lost of people done test for methanol, like blue is ok, red is lead ...no good aso, however
I did my own test to see, low and behold.....mentholated spirits burn ....blue....??? what ?? so does my spirits ...of cause, I know you can't drink it
but that's very confusing.......some one enlighten me Please !!
And yes ....I know how to do cuts and all that, so I don't need a topic on that.....still learning, do more reading than distilling sometimes hm !!!
So what's the answer.......???
Chris

PS: Thanks for a wonderfull......friendly forum.....I have learned so much in ashort time from here, so a heartfelt big THANKS ALL.
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby Doubleuj » Tue May 15, 2018 4:52 pm

Don’t believe too much you see on YouTube
Quick answer is that the “metho” you buy nowadays is actually industrial ethanol, so, it should burn with a similar flame as your well cut spirit.
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby coffe addict » Tue May 15, 2018 5:25 pm

:text-+1: and I'll add that the store bought has a bittering agent added that's very hard to separate from the ethanol and renders it completely undrinkable
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby db1979 » Tue May 15, 2018 5:51 pm

Methylated spirit used to be 95% ethanol with 5% methanol. The methanol was added to deter people from drinking it. In Australia now, just as coffee addict says methylated spirits has a bittering agent, but no methanol. The blue flame colour is characteristic of an oxygen containing fuel burning in air. Methanol and ethanol both contain oxygen and this causes them to burn cleaner than many other organic molecules.
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby wynnum1 » Tue May 15, 2018 7:34 pm

95% ethanol with 5% methanol if your job used methylated spirits not very pleasant probably why methanol is not being using.As a fuel for transport. fumes give you a headache . would be very unpleasant in heavy traffic.
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby Supersmartan » Tue May 15, 2018 8:18 pm

Thanks all

Just wondering, that's all, and yes....U-tube is full of misinformation, however thanks to all

Really really like this forum
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby warramungas » Wed May 16, 2018 9:18 am

wynnum1 wrote:95% ethanol with 5% methanol if your job used methylated spirits not very pleasant probably why methanol is not being using.As a fuel for transport. fumes give you a headache . would be very unpleasant in heavy traffic.


Plus all the numpties that would drink it bittering agent or not. That's dedication to hard core alcoholism!
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby JulianFNQ » Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:58 pm

db1979 wrote:Methylated spirit used to be 95% ethanol with 5% methanol. The methanol was added to deter people from drinking it. In Australia now, just as coffee addict says methylated spirits has a bittering agent, but no methanol. The blue flame colour is characteristic of an oxygen containing fuel burning in air. Methanol and ethanol both contain oxygen and this causes them to burn cleaner than many other organic molecules.



Actually, the blue fame is hydrogen burning, the yellow flame is carbon burning. Methanol has 1 carbon atom and 4 hydrogen atoms so burns very blue. Ethanol 2 carbon and 6 hydrogen, still burns blue but a bit more yellow going on. As a hydro-carbon is burnt, the hydrogen burns first, then the carbon, because the hydrogen surrounds the carbon. The oxygen has to burn the hydrogen before it can get access to the carbon. The fact that ethanol has oxygen in it makes little difference. However the oxygen in ethanol gives one side of the molecule a positive charge and the other side a negative charge, so the molecules are attracted to each other. That is why ethanol is a liquid and ethane (basically ethanol without the oxygen) is a gas at room temperature.

Yeah got a bit carried away with that...
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby bluc » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:06 pm

My spirit burns invisible with hint yellow..and that is nastiest of heads
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby ed9362 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:31 am

i gave a chemist friend of mine a sample of foreshots from a kale wash, distilled in a boka.
the sample was the first 100ML that came off the still.
he ran it through a gas chromatograph and couldnt detect any methanol, there were traces of other chemicals but it was almost completely ethanol.
i think people worry about methanol in sugar washes to much. its a good idea to be aware it may be there and discard your foreshots but a fire test isnt going to tell you much at all
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby The Stig » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:49 pm

You may well be right but if we start telling people not to worry about it somebody is bound to show up sick as a dog and point the finger .
Best to have best practice’s in place at ALL times.
We are all about the safety of everybody, do what you want.
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby RC Al » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:13 pm

Theres a ton of this over on HD, there is actually more methanol in the tails of most of our types of washes bar fruit - that stuff is evil in this regard

Methanol is only one of the things we can look to reduce for "healthy" 8-} booze, there's other bad stuff in there too

A current thread on HD that has my attention - the first page is the usual stuff, then it gets interesting after that (and occasionally technical lols)
https://homedistiller.org/forum/viewtop ... 40&t=80533
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby ed9362 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:15 pm

The Stig wrote:You may well be right but if we start telling people not to worry about it somebody is bound to show up sick as a dog and point the finger .
Best to have best practice’s in place at ALL times.
We are all about the safety of everybody, do what you want.



maybe i should have been clearer,
i was saying that its a good idea to dispose of your foreshots, but maybe not specifically because of methanol. there are other chemicals in there that are not good for you too.
i am definitely am not advocating for people to be drinking the foreshots or heads of their run.
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby Sam. » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:48 pm

ed9362 wrote:
The Stig wrote:You may well be right but if we start telling people not to worry about it somebody is bound to show up sick as a dog and point the finger .
Best to have best practice’s in place at ALL times.
We are all about the safety of everybody, do what you want.



maybe i should have been clearer,
i was saying that its a good idea to dispose of your foreshots, but maybe not specifically because of methanol. there are other chemicals in there that are not good for you too.
i am definitely am not advocating for people to be drinking the foreshots or heads of their run.


Yeah it's pretty obvious from smelling the shit isn't good for you 8-}
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby wynnum1 » Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:01 pm

Methanol surprising that it is not being used as a fuel as is water soluble and biodegradable and can be made from natural gas and steam or co2 and could be running some big machinery and not have to bring in diesel.
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby bluc » Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:49 pm

Methanol is a fuel. For race cars :handgestures-thumbupleft: speedway cars and drag cars use it. It also burns a lot cooler and helps cool the motor..
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Re: Methanol testing

Postby wynnum1 » Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:02 pm

bluc wrote:Methanol is a fuel. For race cars :handgestures-thumbupleft: speedway cars and drag cars use it. It also burns a lot cooler and helps cool the motor..

Oil industry probably have a lot to do with not being used and also seems to work very well in gas turbines and could be used for electricity generation.
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