Tomato Paste Wash (TPW) Recipe Discussion

[the Doctor]

Hi Dock I remember you posting a link to where you get yeast would you please post again

They are winequip in Melbourne. Also if you are doing 1000 liters of wash at a time, sugar washes smell like crap, for 9 kilo's of T/Paste you can barely notice it. I buy cheap wholesale T/ Paste, so for the benefit of all those who are working around it...a cheap investment. If you are just doing small washes in the laundry probably overkill.
Doc

[Aussiedownunder01]

Ok upping tpw to 80 litres just multiply every thing by 4 what happens if you don't have enough yeast
Do you add later or will it be ok
I also I notice some use brewers and bakers yeast 1/2 //1/2

[MacStill]

Dont worry too much if you need to pitch less yeast, it'll just take a little longer to get going.... or you could do a starter, but not really needed.

Mixing yeasts I dont understand, as it'll just be a survival of the fittest until one strain kills the other off, IMHO you'd be better off sticking to 1 type for each wash ;-)

[Aussiedownunder01]

Thanks Mack looks like its all go

[drunkmore]

I also I notice some use brewers and bakers yeast 1/2 //1/2

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Mixing yeasts I dont understand, as it'll just be a survival of the fittest until one strain kills the other off, IMHO you'd be better off sticking to 1 type for each wash ;-)

I'm not so sure that the mixing yeast was done to have two different yeasts slug it out but, as I recall from one recipe, you boil the bakers yeast so as to kill it.
Yeast is very canabalistic (If that's a word). It loves to eat its own dead, and strangely enough dead yeast is a very good source of nutrient for living yeast.
I believe the mixing of the two yeasts was to add nutrient to the strongest yeast. In my opinion with a TPW there is no need.
Audidownunder Your question is can you add more yeast later if you don't have enough? The answer is a few more questions? How much short of the recipe are you? Quarter short. No problem Yeast will grow. It will take a little longer to ferment Half Short. No problem Same again Yeast will grow. Only It will take a lot longer. Less than half missing , I think wait till you can get some more
The only time I have pitched more yeast into a TPW was when my brew room got to 49 c and cooked the batch at day two.
Yes it worked

[Aussiedownunder01]

Thanks drunkmore probley 1/4 short
I picked up some ec 118 from wine quip yesterday 500 gm $27.00 so I have plenty for the next few batches :razz:
from what they told me and I read for a 70 litre wash 20 gm is enough so that's about 25 washes :-D

[BackyardBrewer]

When you boil yeast the cells burst, releasing the nutrient and making it available to live yeast to consume. It's a cheap way to add nutrient to the wash if you don't have any DAP. It can give the wash a very bready aroma though so be sparing when you add boiled yeast - and let it cool too.

[Dominator]

It can give the wash a very bready aroma though so be sparing when you add boiled yeast.

If your using a specalised strain, like EC1118, in a TPW, how would it go boiling it after using it. Do you think that would reduce the chance of bread/off flavours?

[MacStill]

I also I notice some use brewers and bakers yeast 1/2 //1/2

.

Mixing yeasts I dont understand, as it'll just be a survival of the fittest until one strain kills the other off, IMHO you'd be better off sticking to 1 type for each wash ;-)

I'm not so sure that the mixing yeast was done to have two different yeasts slug it out but, as I recall from one recipe, you boil the bakers yeast so as to kill it.
Yeast is very canabalistic (If that's a word). It loves to eat its own dead, and strangely enough dead yeast is a very good source of nutrient for living yeast.
I believe the mixing of the two yeasts was to add nutrient to the strongest yeast. In my opinion with a TPW there is no need.
Audidownunder Your question is can you add more yeast later if you don't have enough? The answer is a few more questions? How much short of the recipe are you? Quarter short. No problem Yeast will grow. It will take a little longer to ferment Half Short. No problem Same again Yeast will grow. Only It will take a lot longer. Less than half missing , I think wait till you can get some more
The only time I have pitched more yeast into a TPW was when my brew room got to 49 c and cooked the batch at day two.
Yes it worked

Seeing as we're talking about the original TPW (birdwatchers) in the tried & proven section I think my comments are warranted, I do realise there are "other" recipes that recommend boiling yeast for nutrient, however this recipe aint one.

Gawd I'd hate to be a noob trying to follow some of these tried and proven recipes, if everyone just sticks to the original recipes in this section & use the other appropriate sections for recipe bastardising our newbies would benefit much :handgestures-thumbupleft:

;-)

[Aussiedownunder01]

My thoughts exactly I asked the question on yeasts in tpw in another section and somebody moved it to this section

[MacStill]

My thoughts exactly I asked the question on yeasts in tpw in another section and somebody moved it to this section

I will hunt the offender down and :teasing-nutkick: :violence-smack: :violence-stickwhack: :law-policered:

:text-lol:

[BackyardBrewer]

My thoughts exactly I asked the question on yeasts in tpw in another section and somebody moved it to this section

I will hunt the offender down and :teasing-nutkick: :violence-smack: :violence-stickwhack: :law-policered:

:text-lol:

I agree, just adding an explanation of what happens when you boil it - but yes, what mac said for those of you here for the first time:

Dear Newbies: Just follow the TPW recipe as it is, save yourself some money & time.


(and no, not me who moved it :handgestures-thumbupleft: )

[drunkmore]

I'm sorry :oops: I didn't even realise we were in tried and true ...
But answered the question Lol I didn't move it either. :D

Dear Newbies: Just follow the TPW recipe as it is, save yourself some money & time.

:text-+1:

Then go and experiment with all the things we have all done and then wondered why it didn't work but remember its not the same as a turbo so don't expect the same as a turbo.

[Liquorstax]

Hi all,

In case anyone is wondering whether the TPW will work with an Air Still, here is my experience.

I made 28ltrs of wash in a 30ltr Carboy using:

6kg Sugar
250g Legos No Salt Tomato Paste
1/4 tsp Citric Acid
100g Yeomans Bakers Yeast

Total Cost a Woolworths about $7.00

It took about 10 days to ferment out.

I put 4ltrs in the little Air Still each time and took off 800ml at 50% giving me 1ltr at 40% with the net result being 7ltrs

So much better and cheaper then the brew shop turbo's, the spirit comes off so clean, however I did carbon filter for a final polish.

I'm a convert!!! It's TPW for me from now on.

I hope this helps someone who might be like me with just a little Air Still and wondering if the TPW is going to work for them.

[Kimbo]

Thanks for that mate :handgestures-thumbupleft:
By the way, I moved your identical post from the Airstill section. ;-)
How 'bout swinging by the welcome centre for a quick intro :handgestures-thumbupleft:

[dj1984]

ive just finished a 50L batch fermented in just over a week its still murky can i run it now or should i wait for the yeast to settle?

Also what is the Final gravity ment to be on this??

[Sam.]

ive just finished a 50L batch fermented in just over a week its still murky can i run it now or should i wait for the yeast to settle?

Also what is the Final gravity ment to be on this??

As close to .990 as you can get :handgestures-thumbupleft:

[Rumdog]

Hi all, alcholtears,

Do I need to charcoal my TPW sprits? :think:

It tastes bloody good anyway. :handgestures-thumbupleft: :text-+1:

[Kimbo]

Hi all, alcholtears,

Do I need to charcoal my TPW sprits? :think:

It tastes bloody good anyway. :handgestures-thumbupleft: :text-+1:

Hi Rumdog, no need to filter your TPW mate :handgestures-thumbupleft:
If you want to ... that's up to you ;-)

[Muppet]

Negative mate this wash is fine without charcoal filtering, just do your cuts and enjoy :handgestures-thumbupleft: