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Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:37 pm
by Aussiedownunder01
Hi wondering if this is possible if not how would you do this kind of thing
Was thinking something like this with my new purchase

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:36 pm
by crow
yeah look the tower doesn't need to be on the boiler, it will be often more efficient energy wise there but most commercial joints have the tower off set

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:13 pm
by MacStill
You'll need a way of diverting excess reflux from the bottom plate back to the boiler :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:23 pm
by Aussiedownunder01
MacStill wrote:You'll need a way of diverting excess reflux from the bottom plate back to the boiler :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Ok thanks thats easy thanks

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:21 pm
by emptyglass
You also need the bottom of the column (return drain) above the wash level in the boiler, due to gravity or you need to incorporate a pump.

A lot of the commerctial set ups that use this set up also run "onions" (big bubble balls, with or without plates), so the top of the boiler becomes high.

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:26 pm
by crow
yes but they must pump though as I have looked as many many designs that would have the base well below the wash level , well pump or re vaporise I have often thought it was one of the two :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:37 pm
by emptyglass
It would be pretty cool.
To have a pot still that is a killer pot still in its own right, and then be able to change a valve and run it through the plates. Would be a sweet set up.

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:07 pm
by crow
Right so we are all agreed then ok. Right ADU seems you have to knock up a bell, bubble ball or thumper for the top of the boiler and then a two way valve to send the vapour to either a pot condenser or onward and downward to an offset trayed column :handgestures-thumbupleft: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling:

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:50 am
by Aussiedownunder01
Fuck what have i lit myself into :angry-banghead:
As they say theres nothing that a grumpy old man with time on his hands cant do ;-)

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:27 am
by bt1
Geez I hope you got a great heat supply...your going to need it.

I'd also question the issue of smearing given the feed in will induce reflux and pool up spirit to some degree.

Not the easiest of designs by a long , long country mile.

bt1

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:05 am
by MacStill
bt1 wrote:
I'd also question the issue of smearing given the feed in will induce reflux and pool up spirit to some degree.

bt1


Like the first plate pools and smears ?

Wouldnt the other plates clean that up?

8-}

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:35 am
by emptyglass
Heat is not really an issue. One would use more heat boiling up. Heat is usually throttled back once plates load.
Just like thumpers work with the vapor heat.

Maybe this is more what you are thinking of aussie.

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:25 am
by crow
One seriously cool micro rig . About half that size would be the bomb :handgestures-thumbupleft:

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:40 pm
by Aussiedownunder01
WineGlass wrote:Heat is not really an issue. One would use more heat boiling up. Heat is usually throttled back once plates load.
Just like thumpers work with the vapor heat.

Maybe this is more what you are thinking of aussie.

Thanks thats the one

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:10 pm
by googe
You have to make it aussie!! That's just so beautiful :D

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:34 pm
by emptyglass
If you care, look at a few things,
The bottom of the column is above the bottom of the fill port manhole, that puts it above the wash charge level.
The vapor entry "appears" to be above or about on the bottom plate, assuming its just below the lowest glass.
The vapor tube between the top of the onion to the bottom of the column is probably under 2" for a still much larger than a hobby one here.
The vapor tube from the top of the column is even smaller.
My guess is the bottom of the column has ??

I cant see much detail regarding the return drian plumbing.

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:51 pm
by bt1
bt1 wrote:
I'd also question the issue of smearing given the feed in will induce reflux and pool up spirit to some degree.

bt1
mac wrote:
Like the first plate pools and smears ?

Wouldnt the other plates clean that up?


How does that address the feed in tube natural reflux and pooling at the input of the column. I don't believe it does. Put another way why go to infinite trouble to make sure a RC or PC is dead level on top to avoid pooling, this seems prone to it.

On the subject of heat it's going to take a significant more to drive it surly compared with a inline column. That boiler base is prolly designed specifically for heating...it ain't no keg base deflecting heat.

bt1

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:21 pm
by MacStill
How does that address the feed in tube natural reflux and pooling at the input of the column. I don't believe it does. Put another way why go to infinite trouble to make sure a RC or PC is dead level on top to avoid pooling, this seems prone to it.


Addressed in my first response to this topic, obviously :roll:

I always have a low point in my condensers, naturally 8-}

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:46 pm
by googe
Why couldn't it just have a drain tube on the base of the column going back into the boiler, wouldn't the condensed liquid be powerfull enough to flow and stop vapor coming into the base of the column.?.

Re: Is this possible if not ideas please

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:50 pm
by MacStill
googe wrote:Why couldn't it just have a drain tube on the base of the column going back into the boiler, wouldn't the condensed liquid be powerfull enough to flow and stop vapor coming into the base of the column.?.


What do you mean mate ?