Tomato Paste Wash (TPW) Recipe Discussion

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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby Aussiedownunder01 » Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:28 pm

Mate just rang me he added 2 lots of tom paste to the one wash will it be a problem
Thanks in advance
Lesson for the day lay off the slops when mixing a brew :D
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby SBB » Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:35 pm

I doubt its going to matter to much.
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby Aussiedownunder01 » Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:38 pm

Thanks going around to his place for a beer soon will tell him
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby icewind » Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:38 am

Aussiedownunder01 wrote:Lesson for the day lay off the slops when mixing a brew :D


:angry-banghead: :angry-banghead:
Have we taught you nothing? Thats all part of the fun! TPW is very forgiving and doesn't mind if you've had a few when putting a ferment down. :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling:
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby Petulance » Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:52 am

My last few TPW runs have given my 90-92% product.

I ferment in 60l bins (about 50l at a time) using 10-12kg sugar, tablespoon of DAP and 3 tablespoons of tomato paste. I'm using Lowans bakers yeast. It takes about 6 days to run out.

I'm running a 50l keg with about 40-45l of charge. I'm tossing the first 600ml and running it fairly slowly.

Once watered down to 45%, the product has a very strong bite to it ... it's not what I'd call neutral.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong???
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby Zak Griffin » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:22 pm

Are you making any cuts other than the 600ml fores/heads cut?
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby Petulance » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:25 pm

I stop taking product at about 75%, or when the stuff smells , umm, "fruity"
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby Zak Griffin » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:35 pm

Righto... Read this - viewtopic.php?f=57&t=2859&p=40598&hilit=Cuts+guide#p40598 - 3 or 4 times, and see how you go. Remember, quality not quantity.
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby Muppet » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:46 pm

Petulance wrote:My last few TPW runs have given my 90-92% product.

I ferment in 60l bins (about 50l at a time) using 10-12kg sugar, tablespoon of DAP and 3 tablespoons of tomato paste. I'm using Lowans bakers yeast. It takes about 6 days to run out.

I'm running a 50l keg with about 40-45l of charge. I'm tossing the first 600ml and running it fairly slowly.

Once watered down to 45%, the product has a very strong bite to it ... it's not what I'd call neutral.

Any ideas what I'm doing wrong???

Airing your cut jars for 24hrs removes quite a bit of the 'bite' your talking about. I've also found letting it age in the bottle for a cupla weeks smooths the product out. Since splitting into 250ml jars I find it easier to pick the heads/ tails. This was the biggest step forward for my product yet
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby SBB » Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:22 pm

Are you running this through the bubbler with the packed section? if so something is very wrong.
A still like that should be producing 92% + with ease.
Id be interested to know what your take off rate is.
Petulance wrote:I stop taking product at about 75%, or when the stuff smells , umm, "fruity"

Something wrong here too, Even at the tail end of a run a bubbler should be producing much higher abv than that, That is provided it has sufficient reflux.
Maybe i will come back later, I dunno were to start here. x_x
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby Vatoe » Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:57 pm

I did a run of this yesterday, following the recipe exactly. Got to SG 990, before I ran it through the pure distilling rig. I eeked out about 1850 mls (at average of 94% ABV), before I was into the tails section of the run, which I ran for another approximately 420mls (finishing about 83% ABV).

I let the 250 mls cuts air for 24 hours, and decided to keep about 800 mls mixing about approx 100mls of heads (jar2) with I considered the hearts - the rest went to feints carboy. Probably aggressive cutting. Not so sure? After another day of sitting, definitely can tell its a lot smoother that the filtered turbo, just a little bite at the back of the the throat at the moment with some little sharpness. Will let it sit for another week, and try it again.
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby Zak Griffin » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:59 am

Why did you put heads back in to the hearts?
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby Vatoe » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:23 pm

Zak Griffin wrote:Why did you put heads back in to the hearts?

Simply because I have been used to the taste of Absolut Vodka drunk neat for so long now, that hearts only vodka seems to 'neutral'. I will get there, just need to step it down a bit at a time. 8-}
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby Sam. » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:03 pm

Vatoe wrote:
Zak Griffin wrote:Why did you put heads back in to the hearts?

Simply because I have been used to the taste of Absolut Vodka drunk neat for so long now, that hearts only vodka seems to 'neutral'. I will get there, just need to step it down a bit at a time. 8-}


:laughing-rolling: Terrible first world problem that when your home made booze is too smooth 8-}
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby Zak Griffin » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:05 pm

hahahaha, fair call! :laughing-rolling:
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby Vatoe » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:57 pm

sam_and_liv wrote:
:laughing-rolling: Terrible first world problem that when your home made booze is too smooth 8-}


I know its freakin ridiculous. :angry-banghead: It's like when I gave up smoking and everything tasted different for a while...
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby Dominator » Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:42 pm

sam_and_liv wrote: :laughing-rolling: Terrible first world problem that when your home made booze is too smooth 8-}


Ha :laughing-rolling:
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby timv » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:37 pm

So does everyone do a stripping run ? or a single run thru the reflux?
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby Yummyrum » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:42 pm

timv wrote:So does everyone do a stripping run ? or a single run thru the reflux?


I strip two 25 liter TPW in my 50 liter keg .(Usually ends up about 2-3" below the spout in the keg ) I strip all down to 20% .keep the lot ,fores,heads hearts tails
Then run this through my VM reflux.This is where I can extract all the nasties before the good stuff .Reflux still removes fores and heads so much better than pot still :handgestures-thumbupleft:
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Re: Tomato paste wash

Postby JayD » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:42 pm

timv wrote:So does everyone do a stripping run ? or a single run thru the reflux?


either...you can if you want however a reflux still should put out over 90%abv.
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